Except for the sword and the daggers, everything in this outfit is hand made. Most of the leather plate are made for croupon 3-5mm thick. No paint, only neat oil and forming. The overall is not really heavy.
I'm proud of the gautlets, you can find the blueprints on my gallery. The amber stone comes from a belt fond in garbage. The helmet is an historical aberration, mixing scales, celtic and greek inspirations. The rings around my belly are realy useful to hang various items.
I need to add legs protections. Working on it.
The main trouble I have is to get this nice rounded and burned effect ont the edges of my leather plates. How did you pros do it ? I've tried dremel, wood lissettes, plastic formoirs, direct burning, sand paper...
It would be easier to take the photos with a mannequin but I only have a female one and a squeleton.
Yeah, I had a great pleasure working on this helmet. And the effect with the black voilage gives a really eerie look.
Had to review my work quite a few time though... Helmet are very hard to build correctely. Vision, head shape, fixation... So many parameters to account for !
Really inspiring. Thanks for sharing!
The earholes sound like a smart move haha
I really dig the poses! That would make for some great drawing references!
Personally, I kinda liked the layout for the v3 a little better; I find the white seperations in v4 distract the eye from the armor which pops out a lot better when set on a darker background as in v3. My two cents anyway.
Keep it up mate. Cheers!
All things considered, I like the v3 photo more than the v4. The separations makes it look like a comic, segregating the whole.
Thanks for your two cents, to me it is worth a golden Louis.
Une armure complète, c'est un ensemble de pièces à concevoir. Celle-ci est entièrement modulaire, il est possible d'ajouter, remplacer ou enlever des parties afin d'ajuster le rendu général. Si je devais donner un coût total réel du temps que ça m'a pris, en comptant la main d'oeuvre, ce serait aux alentours de 3000€.
Ce qui est complétement irréaliste car je crafte principalement par passion et j'utilise beaucoup de matériaux de récupération. Les fourrures proviennent de vieux manteaux, le cuir de chutes de croupon, les décorations de restes de vielles ceintures trouvées en chiffonerie, etc.
Bref, tout ça pour dire que je peux difficilement mettre un prix sur un set complet, je préfère travailler pièce par pièce.
N'hésitez pas si vous avez d'autres questions à me contacter par mp ^^
The leather is not hardened, excepted for the pauldrons which comes from an old pair of graves which were formed.
I mostly use a thick sturdy croupon, so I do not have to use such techniques. That and the fact it is very time consuming.
I would love to learn the "cuir bouilli" technique, halas I lack the materials and space to do so.
Cuir-Bouilli isn't that hard and it doesn't take up much space. All you need is a decent size pot to hold the water. How I was taught was to let the water get to nice and warm to the touch, not boiling, drop the piece of leather into the water and let it sit for about ten minutes. Stir it every couple of minutes so that it doesn't sit on the bottom. After the ten minutes pull the piece out and begin to shape it how you want it. Just a heads up the piece will shrink a bit after being the water so it's a good idea to cut it a little larger then what you plan it to be. Also I found using a wooden or rubber mallet helps to shape the piece.
The only big problem about doing cuir-bouilli in the house is that leather dose give off an order when it's cooking. It's not a bad smell to me but I know people who really don't like it.
I thought cuir-bouilly required a wooden mould to press and form the leather, wich I don't have the time and patience to carve myself.
I tried the process you described once, with mitiged results : astanael.deviantart.com/art/Gu…. The whole became quite fragile afterward and I needed to oint it heavily to be usable. Water washes the collagen insides the fibres thus requiring filling it up again. Furthermore, prewaxing prevents water to go in and out.
I will try again, for I must have miss something.
Thanks again for the tips ! I really appreciate it.
We're actually both right. Cuir-bouilli is just the boiling of the leather how one shape it is really how one feels comfortable doing it. I know guys that cut the shape, boil it and then molded it free hand when it's harden, like metal, others use, as you stated, use an anology to shape it.
Like I said I've had both good and bad experiences with boiling leather. Like you, some came out very fragile; other times it came out quit nice. Now that you mention it. I do remember reading how after the hardening process some people would dip the leather into the beeswax to prevent water damage. I wonder if it was also used to fill in for the collagen that is washed away by the water.
Honestly, I think making proper harden leather is much harder then what many people think.
Leather is a live material, changing with time.
I confirm the waxing methods fills in the pores and render the whole waterproof. This is how you can make bottles and glass from leather. I periodicaly wax my armor to stand rain, and it does.
I think the medieval method of cuir bouilli require medieval treatements of leather, which is hard to find. You're right in sayin' the only way to know is testing. As soon I've finished working on my current project (mostly mastering gimp and latex prosthetics) I will try again to make some masks.
I think I read somewhere that somes techniques requires to glue some clothing behind the leather to reinforce it.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to talk techniques and timps with me, I really appreciate it.
Wrist are very mobile articulation and require to turn around to nearly 360°, therefore they cannot be connected to the forearms.
Tight leather gauntlets and a thin strap under the palm (search for the gauntlet bluerint in my gallery)
Seeing beautiful crafts always makes me want to fist copy and then inspire from it to create something new.
The tips and technique I have mostly comes from my own experiments, for the Internet only provides visuals clues that not replace the feel and touch when it require to acquire new techniques.
Takes a lot of dedication and patience, 'though,
Would you mind if I used your design as a prototype for the suit of armor that I am working on? Yours is very similar to what I'm looking for, as it is very form fitted, stylish yet rugged look. I will give credit when ever I post a picture, though it might be awhile. I'm new to the LARP stuff, but not to leather working.
You can copy/use/redraw my designs as you want, please post the result once finished.
Just keep in mind the plastron pattern is inspired from an armor of a larp online shop names LRP Store I would gladly give you a link but the website is currently down. which is quite a surprise for me.
This set keeps evolving, although I think it's coming to an end. Not much to add.
I'm a real amateur when it comes to photography, and tend to correct things when editing. Bad habit, I know.
I rarely use dyed leather and only use neat oil to darken and polish the results, thus the nice "patine" aspect.
Hard to say, the overall is a set I've completed through he years, adding and modifying pieces here and then. Counting manwork hours would level the sum to 2000-2500 € and take a long time to complete. Not including the materials that comes from various sources, hard to find again.
Furthermore, the plastron in based on a design from the nices guys of LRPStore, so I'm reluctant to use the sames lines. I can work something different.
I must warn you again, this is a big project, since we're talking about a whole armor (plastron, pauldrons, arms, gauntlets, braconniere, helmet and greaves) the whole set is a piece I've work on during a long, long time, from fine piece of materials acquired here and then.
The crafting in itself is not the problem, the obstacles are :
- Patterns are ok, I keep extensive documentation of what i craft, so I can do it again.
- Price and availability of materials : the croupon I used is a very specific leather, very hard to find. I would recommend using a classic collet, much easier to find and also lighter. The one I use is really heavy and sturdy enough to withstand real sword hits. Anyway, I think the amount of leather I need is approximatively 5-6 skins, which cost around 170-200€ each,
- I can find furs quite easily, although it will not be exactly the sames. It was rabbit for the neck, sheep and ferret for the bottom. I need also a entire skin of soft leather for the bottom.
- The helmet is especially hard to make, for it use a old leather miner helmet for the base. I can work something.
- Time. If it is for the end of the year I can make time for It. Will be tough.
- Distance. I live in Europe. Quite difficult for shipping and testing if you're living far away.
- and finally, I will not learn to a huge larper as you that wearing an armor can be tough. I would really like you to try before buying, if possible.
I seems to put the emphasis on the obstacles, because I'm a very cautious person and I really don't want to make promises I cannot keep. The project is definitively doable, but will not be cheap.
In addition to this commission, I'm open to any other projects.
I'm not really into fake leather, I work with genuine materials. Sturdier, stronger, better looking... The real stuff cost more but can last eons if correctly maintained. But I am fond of skeuomorphism and "trompes-l'oeil" as I got many friends working in the field so the question intrigue me.
Never tried to produce fake leather but I'm guessing it is doable :
- cardboard or polyamid with a good paint job
- thin couch leather sewed on rigid support
- printed leather pattern glued on rigid support...
Trained eyes can distinguish almost instantly fake from real leather. Leather gains with time a specific aspect called "patine", which is really hard to imitate.